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Lindsay and Emily, Founders of Presently Jewelry, Turn Anxiety into Inspiration

• Lisa L. Hartwell, PsyD,RN • Season 3 • Episode 67

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In this inspiring episode, Dr. Lisa Hartwell sits down with sisters Lindsay Stetzer and Emily Stetzer , the founders of Presently, a mindfulness jewelry brand. Their story showcases how personal struggles with anxiety and OCD led to creating meaningful jewelry that serves as both a beautiful accessory and a powerful therapeutic tool. We talked story about the origins of Presently Jewelry during the 2020 pandemic, how different forms of OCD and anxiety shaped their business vision, the power of wearing therapeutic reminders as jewelry and using jewelry as a mindfulness technique. Anchoring phrases such as Embrace Uncertainty, Brave the Uncomfortable, and It's Okay to Feel How I Feel. 

 "These were very much built based on someone who has anxiety." - Emily 
"I saw the direct effect of sharing my story and how much it helped." - Lindsay

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Aloha everyone. It's Dr. Lisa Hartwell. Welcome to Anxiety Ease, the show that reveals a calm mind is an organized mind, and an organized mind is a calm mind. We'll make it fun and inspirational with a bit of learning, the neuroscience and the real reason some of us keep pushing on professionally, good or bad, at the expense of leading life with inner peace.

 

All right, well, welcome back to the Anxiety Ease Show. I'm so happy to be here today with two ladies who reached out to me online to do a possible interview about some very exciting, amazing things that they're doing online across the pond from me about 6,000 miles way over in New York.

So, we are in two different worlds, but in the same world at the same time. So I am very excited about this interview to share with you listeners about what they're doing out there in the world of anxiety nowadays.

 

And their names are Lindsay and Emily, but I'm going to let them introduce themselves first before we get into their story, just because I think it's fabulous that they're sisters. And of course, I'm looking at their beautiful faces on my video right now, and they could not be cuter. But I want to know who's older, too. I can't tell. You guys look like you're almost twins. So are you twins?

 

Emily: We've definitely gotten that before.

 

Emily: Yeah.

 

Lindsay: I'm Lindsay. I'm 35, I think.

 

Emily: Yeah, sounds right. And I'm Emily. I'm turning 30 in about a week and a half.

 

Dr. Hartwell: Okay, well, that's the funny part of podcasting. You would never know that. I thought both you folks were in your 20s. That is hilarious.

 

Emily: I've gotten that before, so I get carded for getting cough syrup.

 

Dr. Hartwell: That's a good thing. You gotta love it because, you know, it's a thing, right? It's amazing. Well, so Emily reached out online and said, hey, can I see what you do?

Like to possibly be on your podcast show. And here's what we do. So obviously, we always go check each other out online. That's what people do, right? And I kind of fell in love a little bit.

 

And one of the reasons is. Is because this really cool business they have with jewelry and bracelets specifically is something for all of my retreat participants that I buy them gifts, and I only get them meaningful gifts for something that we work on during the retreats together. And one of the things that I've always done is inspirational bracelets. So of course, I had to talk to you. And I was like, absolutely, let's go deeper with this.

 

And your stuff is beautiful. So again, I will in my socials, I'll be posting some pictures too, because it is really gorgeous items that you folks have done.

 

But let's backtrack and can you share with the listeners a little bit of your story and what, what your business is, first of all, and then how it kind of came about?

 

Emily: Yeah. So I'll start just explaining the origin of the business a little bit. So we were, this was in 2020, we were both living at home after living on our own in the city. And we came home because that's what a lot of people did. And I was struggling personally a lot with my anxiety because I was starting a long distance relationship. And of course Covid was obviously extremely hard for two people with ocd, especially contamination ocd.

 

And so I started getting frustrated with myself because I was in therapy. But when you're in such a high anxious state, it's very hard to come back to those tools that you're taught. And I just was like, why, why can't I just like get myself out of this? Why can't I just pick one of the tools that my therapist had taught me, apply it and just be done with it?

 

And so I wanted a bracelet, an inspirational bracelet as well. But the thing was, I couldn't find anything online that, that related to what my therapist taught me. It was all very much like good vibes only or choose happiness or, you know, live, laugh, love.

 

Things like that are super generic that don't really help someone who is in a sort of like behavioral therapy or, you know, something that helps you reframe the way you think. And so I ran downstairs to Lindsay and I was, she was making jewelry at the time for fun. And, you know, I was like, I think, think we need to make this for people, because if I'm looking for it, there's gotta be other people out there that are also looking for something similar.

 

And so that's sort of like how we came up with it. We workshopped, you know, different kinds of things that we struggle with that we could, you know, might find helpful in a phrase on a bracelet.

And so it was a process and it was all built from our personal experience with anxiety. Like we, you know, we're not therapists, of course, we both go to therapy and we did consult our therapists on the phrases, but these were very much built based on someone who has anxiety. Someone who has ocd. So we felt it was very, you know, relatable and hopeful. So, Lindsay, do you want to start maybe with your story? Yeah. Just because she's the oldest, and it's a little bit more chronological.

 

Lindsay: So I'm Lindsay again, older sister. I have been struggling with anxiety for a lot of my life already. I had, like, kind of your basic. Not basic, but, like, your what people assumed to be exact to be ocd, which was, like, lining up things, you know, checking things multiple times, you know, doing it so that nothing bad would happen myself or my loved ones. And it was kind of that ocd, and it kind of, like, stood at that moment, like, for a while until I was, like, in high school. And that's when, like, kind of my world kind of flipped upside down because my OCD thoughts, which I didn't know at the time, were OCD thoughts, turned into existential ocd. So if anyone is unfamiliar with the existential ocd, it is, like, fear of, you know, what is real and what is not real.

 

Dr. Hartwell: Right.

 

Lindsay: And so, I started to go into just viral, and, like, even saying it now, like, my legs are starting to get numb because the thought of it was so scary and so isolating at the time because I didn't know that this was part of ocd. I didn't know that this was, like, a category of ocd. And that was extremely scary because it just felt like something else had. Like, something had happened to me, and I wasn't sure what. So I had. Was dealing with that in high school.

 

And of course, that, like, you know, obviously shook my world a lot and, you know, changed how I thought my life would be, you know. And ever since that happened, I kind of have always reminded myself that, like, I've been through worse before, and, like, I can do it again. And that's kind of what kept me, keeps me going, is that, like, I was able to get through that moment, the scariest moment of my life. And I keep using that as, like, a reminder to myself to, you know, never be as scared, you know, never be as, like. I don't know, like, stuck in that moment.

 

Emily: Because, you know you'll get through.

 

Lindsay: Yeah, because they know I'll get through it. So I've been existential. OCD has been, like, my. What has been, like, at the height of my life.

 

Dr. Hartwell: So, yeah, it's phenomenal. When I think. When I listen to your story, I always think about when I'm working with either therapy or coaching clients, one of the Questions they always ask at some point because I obviously, you know, therapies and coaching is about teaching, lots of teaching. And so when we're in the middle of doing our teaching at some point, I can tell when their anxiety is kicking in because they'll always ask me, okay, what do I do in the moment though?

And the power of what you folks have created is the crux of what my three step process is with which is not talking about the interventions, but always starting with an anchor.

 

And an anchor can be anything, right? It's. It can. You usually base it on your five senses. And that's what I love about the idea of a bracelet or jewelry because it can be tangible. It's sight. You know, if you're. You can even make clicking sounds with it, right? You can touch all of the different sensory pieces that grounds folks and anchoring yourself in those moments is really truly the number one step to get yourself out of it.

So then you can actually use the interventions that you're being taught.

 

That's the beauty of what you folks have created. And knowing intuitively, you know, I talk so much about the soul and the science of what we do. And knowing intuitively this is what you needed to create is what makes it such a beautiful thing. And the fact that you knew that and just carried forth, I think is just so powerful for people to hear that, to know that you.

 

It's my mission on this planet until I die, which is please, please, please use your anxiety for good. Just use it to propel you. Use it for the energetic peace that it brings.

 

That's why I actually love working with anxiety. Because it has an energy to it that I just have to sort of harness and just kind of help people shift is all I have to do. But the energy you bring the energy with it and it's really. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but I think it's just something that is always the forefront of what we all have to have. As a takeaway, I would really love to hear how you merged the two.

 

How did you go from. I know you have some background in jewelry making and in business and Covid got lots of us creative. We ended up having so many gardens in our yard for our son.

Just our son was 10 at the time. To not go crazy, right? And learning about all kinds of plants that we didn't even know about. But everybody took on these projects, right, Just to keep sane and, and to deal with the anxiety of all of it, of just not knowing what was Next. Or what was truth and what was not truth?

 

How did you navigate that? How did you merge the two of going through what you were going through, but then really kind of harnessing this superpower and shifting into creating a business. How did that. What did that even look like?

 

Emily: So I think, I could talk a little bit about my background and my anxiety because that sort of, like, plays into how this kind of evolved.

 

Emily: So unlike Lindsey, I didn't know I had OCD when I was younger. I was just super anxious all the time. Like, I was a very anxious kid. Separation anxiety from my mom. I didn't do sleepovers. I was very reluctant to go to school. And then in high school, I guess I sort of, like, channeled that into, like, very, like, hardworking energy. And so I would study all the time. I would. I would. Did very well in school. And I. And so I think that that's just part of me, and that's how I channeled my anxiety.

But then it wasn't until college, where I started to sort of go. Had more of, like, an intense moment, like Lindsay did when she, you know, started thinking existential thoughts. Mine was more so about, you know, how, like, you know, especially with drinking when you're in college, it's very, very triggering.

And so a lot of it was, how do I know that I didn't do something when I was drunk that I don't remember, or, you know, contamination ocd. Like, I would have to shower my hair if I touched a brick wall standing outside of a bar.

 

And so little things like that. And then a big one was like, the sexual orientation ocd, which is basically like, needing to know who you're attracted to. And, you know, what if you're lying to yourself?

What if this is not who you are? Like, things like that. And so it took until after I graduated to actually go to therapy because I didn't want to talk about those things, and I kept them to myself.

And so that just taught me that, like, saying, like, saying things out loud even to one person is super helpful. And, like, if I had gone to therapy sooner, there would be a lot less years of, like, struggling and feeling lonely and isolated.

 

And so I think that's a lot of what we put into presently is, like, sharing our story because it's so important. And, like, we, like, Lindsay has always love to talk about her experience.

Like, she knew from the start that it helps other people sort of open up and realize that they. They can find solutions to their own problems. But for me, it took me a little bit longer. And so when we came up with this. This idea, it really sort of, like, allowed us to look at the different types of anxiety and the different types of OCD that exists because we were.

 

Lindsay: Even unfamiliar with ourselves.

 

Emily: Right. So I didn't. So when I went to therapy, I was diagnosed with OCD on the first day, and I was very confused because Lindsay has OCD and mine doesn't look anything like hers.

And so it opened our eyes to just, like, how many different experiences people go through that can all be treated with the same sort of therapy or the same sort of mindset.

 

Like, the things that help Lindsay help me, even though our anxieties and our obsessions are very different. And so that is the main thing that we discovered when we started coming up with, like, this jewelry company, because there are so many people out there. There's so many people with different.

Different fears and anxieties, but there are very foundational elements that can help anyone. And so that's how we came up with the phrases on our bracelets and what we needed to sort of, like, hone in on at the most basic level.

 

And so, you know, once we, like, got the idea and, like, we had this sort of brainstorming session of, you know, what. What phrases would be best, like, so we had, like…

 

Embrace uncertainty was one of them. 

 

Brave the uncomfortable was another.

 

It's okay to feel how I feel.

 

Which we think all of those hit on different, like, pain points, sort of in an anxiety experience.

So even though we have OCD and these help us with our, you know, mental health condition, they also help with just everyday anxiety or everyday stress or worries or whatnot.

 

So that sort of propelled us forward into making this an actual real thing. Because I think at first it was sort of like a joke, like, oh, yeah, like we should start making bracelets. And, you know, I. I'm a designer, so a graphic designer. So I created, like, a website for fun and I put it online and I, you know, created a logo for fun. And so, we kept on adding and building, and we're like, maybe we can actually do this. So no business experience whatsoever. No background in business, no background in jewelry making, other than the fact that we're both sort of in creative fields.

 

Lindsay: Like, crafty.

 

Dr. Hartwell: Right, right, right.

 

Emily: Very crafty. DIY.  And so a lot of it was just Google, like, Googling where to how to make bracelets. What is A manufacturer. How do we get, you know, how much should these things cost?

How much should we sell them for? And also the fact that I have a mark, like, I'm in advertising. So that helped immensely.

 

Lindsay: But I also think a big part of why. Of how our company got to where it got. Where it got to was the fact, like, I saw the just the effect of, like, sharing my story to, like, we were on a trip and, like, I shared my experience with OCD and, like, not knowing really anyone on the trip.

 

Emily: It was like a group trip. A group.

 

Lindsay: You know, and I saw, like, the direct effect of just, like, the ability to share my story and how much it helped. Like, I think everyone in the room. But whether they came up to me or not, like, people came up to me after and was, like, thanking me to, like, they were just like, wow.

Like, I had no idea that is what OCD was. Or like, you know, I'm so glad you shared that, because I'm, like, kind of struggling with this and this, you know?

 

Emily: Yeah.

 

Dr. Hartwell: 100%

 

Lindsay: And just seeing that, like, direct connection and that ability of sharing was, like, what got me so excited about when Emily came downstairs to, like, have this idea of, like, helping people with anxiety and ocd. That's always been my anxiety energy, you know, brings forward is like, helping others and seeing the, like, the direct impact.

Dr. Hartwell:. Yeah, definitely. I think what's amazing is I've always said as much as Covid, for many people, was hell on earth at the time, you know, you folks in New York lived it in a very different experiential way than we did over here in Hawaii. Are we shut down pretty quickly? As in, we have a border of water, so we get to shut down and control that, and that's what happened. Now, was it difficult? Most definitely. Were people dying by the hundreds of the day? No, not like New York City at all. 

 

So you folks were in a very different kind of impact zone compared to what we went through.

We were still able to go out and go for our walks. We couldn't go to the beaches or anything, which sounds crazy because it's, you know, our cleansing thing for our anxiety over here.

 

But what I. I always say, the outgrowth of all of that experience, what I appreciate the most, is that anxiety became a normalizing word and language and a connecting point that folks didn't look at you like you were so sort of strange person for struggling with your mental health and didn't matter what you did, you know, and I cannot tell you how many physicians and nurses that I saw in my practice during that time and on telehealth, or still seeing them in the office because they.

They just needed a safe place to fall apart.

 

Lindsay: Yeah.

 

Dr. Hartwell: And it was eventually, after about six months of that, people started talking about it and then talking about it freely with each other and if nothing else, as an outgrowth. I think it's been amazing that people just accept now that it's okay to struggle, it's okay to have conversations about this stuff. We can lift each other up. And guess what? I have this tool that I learned. You want to hear about it? You know, let me do an invitation.

 

So I think that this is an incredible, again, just an incredible gift. One of the things I'd like to hear, you know, in a podcast, it's. I always like to kind of do the visual thing a little bit for folks, and I would love it if, so, say if someone is buying this as a gift for their loved one, and they say, hey, I heard this podcast, or I saw these gals on Instagram, I got this for you for Christmas.

 

And, you know, if somebody owns their anxiety, they're probably okay with it. But then if they open it up and they say, huh, what do I do with it? Can you kind of maybe walk people through?

So when you give this as a gift, here's how we use it. I mean, if they haven't, maybe they even have the courage to go to therapy or get coaching yet, what would you say?

 

What would be the tangible steps you would offer the listeners?

 

Emily: So our bracelets come with a little card that explains the phrase of the bracelet that you were given. And it sort of breaks down. And the way we wrote the cards and the description is broken down so that you don't necessarily need to be in therapy to understand what you're supposed to do with it.

So it's. It's really just like a reminder. So, for example, if you were to gift the one, the phrase brave the uncomfortable, right. You'd open the gift. You would, you know, I guess as the receiving end of the gift, you know, you open it, you see the card, you read the card, you open the bracelet, and you put it on your wrist.

 

The phrase brave the uncomfortable as it's stated on the card is like, you know, often when we feel uncomfortable, we run in the opposite direction of that discomfort. But what that really does is it.

It makes that so much worse, and it makes it so much more uncomfortable. And what we need to start learning is that with time, discomfort will go away. 

 

So, like, if you think about anything, like, the first time you did you. First time you rode a bike, it was uncomfortable. The first time you, you know, went out with your friends or, you know, went out while you were, you know, after a breakup, and that was uncomfortable.

 

But the more you do it, the easier it gets. And so braving the uncomfortable means that, like, if you're stuck in a situation or you find yourself in a situation where, let's say you are.

 

I don't know, let's say you, there's a presentation at work that you're nervous about, and you start to feel uncomfortable, and your body is like, no, I can't do that. No, I can't do that. I don't want to feel this physical feeling anymore. You would essentially have this reminder on your wrist so that in any moment when you start to feel uncomfortable, you can look at it and, you know, it says, you know, brave the uncomfortable.

 

That means, okay, I need to lean into this. Even though it's making me uncomfortable, I need to follow through with it anyway. You know, obviously, to an extent, you don't want to put yourself in, like, a dangerous situation, but I think having something on your wrist that reminds you, like, literally to brave the uncomfortable, like, it's just a trigger.

 

And it's almost like me and Lindsay like to say, like, it's almost like a slap in the face or like, a pinch to be like. Like, you know, wake up. Like, this is, like, yes, this is uncomfortable. 

 

But, in order to overcome it, you need to brave it. You need to walk towards it, and you need to get comfortable feeling uncomfortable, because that's the only way that you're going to grow.

And so Lindsay and I are very much like, we call each other out on things all the time.

 

Dr. Hartwell: Like two sisters.

 

Emily: Yeah. And we live together, too. We don't live together now. We live in the same building. But when we live together, I would see her, and I saw her literally yesterday walk into the kitchen twice to check the oven, to check that the oven was off. That's part of her OCD and a compulsion that she does. And I would have to say, you know, you need to go to bed. It's time to go to bed, brave the uncomfortable, embrace uncertainty that maybe the stove's not off, go to sleep. 

 

And so that's sort of like how we react. Like, gentle nudges. Gentle nudges. Like, that's how we interact with bracelets. It's like having someone tap you on the shoulder and be like, you know, it's okay to feel how you feel.

 

If you're upset and you're anxious that you're upset, or you're anxious that you're mad, or you're not feeling what you thought you would be feeling, you look at your wrist, it's okay to feel how I feel.

And then you can sort of get out of your head and back into the present moment. And I think that, yeah, that's mindfulness.

 

Dr. Hartwell: Yay. Yes, 100% mindfulness. And I always say the trick though, with anxiety is, you know, anxiety wants us to avoid. It wants to just protect us. That's really what its purpose is.

But at the end of the day, until we rewire a new pattern, the most difficult part is starting a new pattern. And so that's why this stuff is so powerful, is because sometimes that's why cognitive behavioral therapy is a challenge for folks, because they think that all they have to do is think it away.

And at some point you do need something behavioral. 

 

And the behavioral piece of literally saying when you're have, when you're wearing this bracelet as a reminder, you have it there.

 

So go touch it, go grab it, go feel it, go look at it, feel its texture. And probably in New York, it's cold now. So, you know, feel the temperature of it.

 

And you know, just really tapping into all of those pieces. And then as you're looking at and reading the, you know, shall we call it scripture, you know, for the reminder pieces, then it should kind of trigger you, trigger your brain into grounding yourself so you can have a different choice and take a different pathway.

 

That's really the power behind it.

 

It's, you know, I don't really see it any different than Catholics who use a rosary when they pray or, you know, when people use essential oils, which I love myself, you know, just as that anchoring moment just to kind of bring you back to the present.

And one of all of my books and my teaching is about orchards and apples and all those things and cultivating professional success was based on the teachings of grounding yourself with a visual of being in an orchard.

 

And one of my friends about, let's see, when my first book came out was 2010, she mailed me this beautiful apple gold pendant that I couldn't find any apple jewelry anywhere.

It was huge too. It was about a 2 inch in diameter. And I wear that for all my workshops, all my trainings, all my speaking, because I hold it when I first start, even though I am a very much an extrovert, but when I start talking, I get. My anxiety goes to about an eight. Just. My heart races.

I feel like I'm a little short of breath. I get a little bit shaky. I think I get overwhelmed by the energy in the room sometimes when people are looking at me.

 

But it doesn't take very long. It takes about maybe 20 seconds for me to just hold that, remind myself why I'm there for them, and just say a quick prayer and just allow the wisdom to come through me.

And that it's just such a shift so quickly. And because I've been doing it for so many years, it happens quickly. I can take the 20 seconds, but I am here as a testimony to everyone, I still got the same thing. It still happens. It's not like it doesn't ever go away. You know, your brain's like, people are staring at you. You should probably freak out, run out of the room right now. And then you have to fight to not do that. Right.

 

It is about finding what is that tool that you're going to use in that moment to be so mindful and present, frankly, for the sake of others that in those, you know. 

 

Lindsay: Yeah. And we've heard from so many of our customers like, that it. It's just been so helpful for them and that they like you. You know, they wear it daily. Like it's something that like, they absolutely, you know, and they kind of have been like, sharing it with others because of the power of it.

 

And that's what kind of keeps us going, like, and moving forward is, you know, and being on podcasts like this, like, just to share it, to get it out there, because I think it is such a helpful tool for 100%.

 

Dr. Hartwell: Yeah. Well, that's a fabulous segue. I'd like to talk a little bit about what we just chatted a little bit before we hopped on together. And, you know, I was. I have all your information, so I'll put all that in the show notes, but I'll let you folks talk a little bit about, you know, in the spirit of Christmas and Black Friday, if people do that this week, I guess.

 

Can't believe it's almost coming up. But why don't you talk a little bit about what you folks are. Any offers that you have, and then I want to kind of share a special idea that I had for my listeners that we were chatting about.

 

Emily: Sure. So for the holidays, we really like to encourage people to give them as gifts because they are a perfect Way to, you know, say something to someone who is maybe going through something or is having a tough time without really saying much at all.

It just shows people that you care, that you know, that they need some sort of tool to help them be more present, especially during the holidays when anxiety is super high.

 

So we are offering a tiered discount. So the more you buy, the more you gift, the more you save. So for, you know, if you have, if you buy one bracelet for yourself, 10 off. If you buy one for yourself and one for someone else, 20% off. If you decide to give it to three people, 30% off and so on. 

If you purchase four bracelets or more, you get 40% off. 

 

So it's just really just a way for us to encourage people to give these as gifts. They're meaningful, they're different, they're. In my opinion, I think they're pretty cool and beautiful and go with everyday jewelry. And yeah, so I think it's. If you're looking for something to give, maybe even to just yourselves, there's a discount for that.

 

Lindsay: So we have gift cards too. So if like somebody is not sure of which freeze would be helpful for their friend or loved one, there's a quiz online that you can take for yourself.

There's a quiz online that you can take for your friend or family member.

 

Emily: It's one, it's on one quiz. So it'll say like take the quiz for myself or for someone else.

Take it as many times as you want. It'll help you figure out what phrase is best for you, what phrase might be best for a loved one. And the gift card as well, where you can just give someone a gift card for, you know, 50 bucks, 30 bucks, whatever, and they can pick out what they want.

 

Dr. Hartwell: That's a beautiful idea. That's super cool. 

 

Emily: And so we have gift cards and we can mail you a physical gift card.

 

Dr. Hartwell: Wonderful. Yeah, you guys are going to get too busy.

 

Emily: Yeah, I know, right? And we bead the bracelets ourselves too. 

 

Dr. Hartwell: Oh my goodness gracious.

 

Emily: The chains are very easy for us to send out. But the beaded ones are, are handmade.

 

Emily: Yeah, then, the 5% of each bracelet is donated to mental health non profits of your choice.So we currently have four in our, you know, rotation. So there is an option for you to choose that when you choose your bracelet.

 

So yeah, so a little bit of something for everyone.

 

Dr. Hartwell: That's amazing. That is amazing. Well, I was thinking what I was wanting to do. I do everything in threes that's kind of my thing. I do things in three steps and three choices and such.

 

And so I was thinking for my listeners today, what I wanted to offer you folks is if you go and leave me a review on this episode when it comes out, which is probably going to be later this week 

I was thinking if you left a review for the first three that do that, I'll be gifting you one of your bracelets of your choice.

 

So if you folks want to do that and send me an email and I'll be watching for your reviews and I'll get get you a gift card over so you can pick what you want. I was going to pick one out for them. That's an even better idea. They can take the quiz and pick their own. I love that. Just. And then gift card for folks for Christmas.

 

I think it's an amazing, amazing thing what you both are doing. You should be extremely proud of just standing up for what your gut told you to do and you followed your soul's purpose and you jumped on with both arms. I love it.

 

Emily: Thank you so much and thank you for having us.

 

Lindsay: Yeah, thank you so much.

 

Dr. Hartwell: Wonderful. Well, you guys have a wonderful happy holidays over there. Enjoy the parade on Thursday and enjoy the snow and Christmas.

 

Emily: You too.

 

Lindsay: No snow, but enjoy.

 

Dr. Hartwell: Not yet. Pretty soon, soon enough and then you can come visit me over here. How does that sound? Yeah, you guys take care. And much Aloha to you both.

 

Emily: Thank you. Thank you.

 

Lindsay: Take care.

 

Dr. Hartwell: Aloha.

Okay, that's a wrap for this week. The Anxiety Ease podcast is produced by myself and the music is provided by Pixabay. For more episodes or to get in touch anytime, you can Visit my website, www.drlisahartwell.com. And if you do like the show, please leave us a review on iTunes. It really helps us out a lot. Also, if you want to see where you fall in the continuum of your high functioning anxiety, head on over to the link that's found in the show notes www.hartwellassessment.com.